The attitude that the captains give Ichigo

[Deathstriker]

Originally Posted by riottrio

honestly, i was very shocked at first as i was reading this chapter. i was even thinking "man, this is harsh even for Byakuya... whats up with him?"

Tite was doing it to make us think "whats gotten all them so riled up against Ichigo?". its quite clever, it makes us worry about Ichigo, think of possibilities and thus become more involved in the manga. i thought of many possibilities, the main two were:-

1) Because he is part hollow. as far as i know in the canon, Kenpachi doesn't know about Ichigo and a Hollow. Byakuya did know as he witnessed the hollow's power, but he saw Ichigo fighting against it, whilst this time, they both saw Ichigo co-operating with his inner hollow in order to fight.
i thought that they were all entirely disgusted by this, and were disassociating themselves from him entirely. This theory was almost solidified by Mayuri referring to him as "half shinigami"

2) That the captains had actually surpassed Ichigo. This actually came from the chapter before-hand, when Ichigo's full strength getsuga tenshou only nicks Yammy's neck, then suddenly Byakuya comes along and lops off a leg in his sealed state. This still confuses me, how the hell did they do so much when they should be weaker then him.

But really, the captains were trying to make Ichigo sulk away from them and bog off to Karakura town. this would be easier if they bullied him so he didn't want to hang around them anymore. this makes sense, and its not the first time things like this happen in manga's.

what still isn't explained is how Byakuya lopped off Yammy's leg in a sealed state sigh...

I like your theory, but I don't think that's what happened. I'm pretty sure they didn't see Ichigo with his mask on and if they somehow did, it should have been directly mentioned. Calling him something like "a part hollow freak" would have been nice, since that could actually lead to Ichigo liking and possibly joining the vizards and not liking SS anymore or at least less. Byakuya has known about his hollow side for a while now, so it wouldn't make sense for him to just now start feeling hostility towards Ichigo for that.

I'm not saying Ichigo needs to be BFFs with all the captains, but they don't need to act like A-holes either. Mayuri is crazy, but he usually doesn't go around insulting people. On the flip side of things, Ichigo in general is a bit too attached to all the shinigami, except Rukia and maybe Renji. When you look at the experiences they've had with each other, not counting the filler arcs and movies, Ichigo is too friendly with them.

Originally Posted by xeno335

stronger than most of them?!!!! HA! i don't blame the captains for giving him the cold shoulder, he doesn't have nearly as much experience and training as they have number 1 and number 2 he is a substitute shinigami!!! i mean thats just how it is! he hasn't went to the academy, doenst know kidou, and knows only ONE technique! i mean come on! im not hating on ichigo, he is still awesome and has great potential but if i was a captain, until he has at LEAST 50 years experience and becomes a full shinigami i would continue to look down on him....just saying
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the way i see it, the captins have been training for the winter war, so of course they are stronger as of now. while ichigo only trained what a few days?

I didn't say he was the most skilled, but he is stronger than most of them. Out of the 10 captains remaining I'm pretty sure he could beat them all, except the oldest four. If his full hollow side came out he could probably beat them all except Yamamoto. Kenpachi doesn't have a lot of skills either, but he's clearly one of the stronger captains. Ichigo's level of progression should garner him more respect, not less. He went from a pretty much normal human to the top 1% of shinigami in about a year.

[Toast_Man123]

Byakuya was...well...being byakuya. And kenpachi realized the pathetic state ichigo was in. And i loved that kenpachi tried to kill him.

[Final Death]

Hmm very good! I think honestly that they just wanted to get Ichigo to go back to the fake Kurakura town to defeat Aizen as they can't do it themselves and they do respect his power or maybe even fear it.

Just my thoughts!

[Animae-Fragile]

Originally Posted by riottrio

But really, the captains were trying to make Ichigo sulk away from them and bog off to Karakura town. this would be easier if they bullied him so he didn't want to hang around them anymore. this makes sense, and its not the first time things like this happen in manga's.

Agree.
I don't think they understimate him. It's just their personality. At least I can say this for Byakuya and Zaraki. Remember what Bya-Taichô told Renji and Ruka when they went to help Ichigo in HM. An Kenpachi is not the sweetest guy we had ever met.

[MarcoPR1]

I think Ichigo should look deeper...lol... Byakuya wasnt being Byakuya per se, but he was being himself. He was showing Ichigo honor by telling him his duty was to KT. Byakuya's honor is surrounded by duty, so how does he show respect? It might not seem that way, but that's how I saw it.

Zaraki was being Zaraki...lol...the funny thing is Zaraki and Ichigo are a lot alike...they care for their friends intensely, but don't show it very well.

Soi Fon hates everyone...except Yoruichi...she's the consumate butt-buddy

Mayuri - wants to be Urahara - sees everyone as test subject - especially Ichigo...i actually think he's afraid of Ichigo...but i'll hold that for later...

Hitsugaya - What Valaric said...

the senior 3 - respect Ichigo, i think...I know that Ukitake does...

Yama-ji - the old man obviously sees something in Ichigo to not strip Ichigo of his Shinigami powers himself. There is something in that old man's glint that he's not sharing...lol...

The others havent developed a relationship with Ichigo.

[xeno335]

Originally Posted by Deathstriker

I like your theory, but I don't think that's what happened. I'm pretty sure they didn't see Ichigo with his mask on and if they somehow did, it should have been directly mentioned. Calling him something like "a part hollow freak" would have been nice, since that could actually lead to Ichigo liking and possibly joining the vizards and not liking SS anymore or at least less. Byakuya has known about his hollow side for a while now, so it wouldn't make sense for him to just now start feeling hostility towards Ichigo for that.

I'm not saying Ichigo needs to be BFFs with all the captains, but they don't need to act like A-holes either. Mayuri is crazy, but he usually doesn't go around insulting people. On the flip side of things, Ichigo in general is a bit too attached to all the shinigami, except Rukia and maybe Renji. When you look at the experiences they've had with each other, not counting the filler arcs and movies, Ichigo is too friendly with them.

I didn't say he was the most skilled, but he is stronger than most of them. Out of the 10 captains remaining I'm pretty sure he could beat them all, except the oldest four. If his full hollow side came out he could probably beat them all except Yamamoto. Kenpachi doesn't have a lot of skills either, but he's clearly one of the stronger captains. Ichigo's level of progression should garner him more respect, not less. He went from a pretty much normal human to the top 1% of shinigami in about a year.

CLEARLY! your underestimating the gotie 13 even with his full hollow transformation the senior members would not go down easily, we have to see them go all out! i mean shinsui
beat the primera with only his shikai. who knows what the others can do. but i get what your saying ichigo COULD probably beat them but hes is just to underdeveloped to pose much of a threat to them maybe once ha can control his inner hollow he might be formidable

[Kaiden Rezain]

The captains have always been superior to Ichigo, there isn't one that he has really put up a good fight against. Zaraki? Hardly, if it wasn't for Ichigo's hollow mask appearing on his body, Zaraki would have cleaved him in half and that would be the end of Ichigo. Byakuya? Again hardly, seeing as how it took Ichigo's hollow taking over his body in order to do any real damage. Even Mayuri was only beaten by the absolute greatest power a Quincy can obtain, meaning that while Ishida was fighting him he was fighting at a level of the strongest Quincy ever. This attitude seems to be about right to me, Ichigo isn't on the level of the Captains, yeah he is strong and has progressed at a rate that is even faster than the "geniuses" of Bleach, but as we have seen more of what a Captain can really do, we are finally seeing just how outclassed they really are in regards to Ichigo at this present time.

[Manos]

I don't think any of the captains deny Ichigo's potential, it's more the fact that he's one of the worst fighters in the series, has no control or defined fighting style, and completely lacks any form of versatility that would allow him to overcome truly challenging opponents without having to resort to his hollow possessing him. Even Kenpachi has more tricks up his sleeve than Ichigo. How would Ichigo be a "significant" help to any of them when all he can do is charge forward and spam GT's? Think about all the captain against espada battles... would Ichigo have been a significant contributing force? Zommari? No. Szayel? No way. Nnoitra? Definitely not. Halibel? Maybe. Barragan? 100% no. Stark? 150% no. Against Zommari and Szayel Ichigo would quickly be turned into a weapon against Byakuya and Mayuri respectively. He would have only gotten in Zaraki's way against Nnoitra. Halibel is meh because Aizen killed her. Stark and Barragan? What could Ichigo possibly do against those guys?

Byakuya made a valid point. Despite the fact that Ichigo might have enough "raw power" to put himself near or above some captains, he doesn't have the skill or ability to be useful in most of the fights they've been through. Maybe when he learns something new or starts using his head better the captains would consider fighting with (as opposed to against) him.

[privatedemon]

Ichigo promised Kenpachi to have a duel with some time but > Zaraki saved ichigo twice in his very short stay in hueco mundo. That is why he is getting frustrated. Zaraki also talked rude at Byakuya so there is absolutely nothing wrong with him.

Mayuri sees everyone as his subject, as a former inmate in Uruhara's guarded prison - I expect nothing less. His attitude towards Ichigo is just fine.

Byakuya, since he came to Hueco mundo is talking so weird. He is the problem.

[DN1ND]

I think Byakuya's and Kenpaichi's attitudes had to do with getting frustrated that Ichigo had to fight every enemy that he came across. Instead of staying focussed on Saving his Home Town now that Innoue was saved.

In Mayuri's case I think he Just feels a need to dissect or experiment on anyone of interest.