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I was just re-reading and something struck me, some thing i am suprised i missed...

While fighting Zaraki for the first time Ichigo couldnt cut Zaraki, when he was hiding he recited the release command for Zangetsu...was his sword in shikai form only? Not the power, or techneque?
Only then could he cut Zaraki

If so he beat Ikkaku and Renji without using shikai.

If that is the case his power jumps arnt as large as initually thought.

Any thoughts? Incase you dont know Zangetsu's release comand its my signature.
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hmm this is very interesting, what chapter is this in? i cant seem to find it. ha
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nvm ha but he doesnt say "shout zangetsu" nor did he say that the first time when he learned his name, but idk this is just me, i dont think he'd take the time to say it all either cuz by then he'd be cut or something ha
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hmm this is very interesting, what chapter is this in? i cant seem to find it. ha
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nvm ha but he doesnt say "shout zangetsu" nor did he say that the first time when he learned his name, but idk this is just me, i dont think he'd take the time to say it all either cuz by then he'd be cut or something ha
chapter 108 time for scare...

the shout zangetsu isnt the necissary part, he had already recognised the name of his sword while training with urahara, but without the incantation as with kido (and knowing a true name) the 'Cast off your fear, look forward, go forward, never stand still, retreat and you will age, hesitate and you will die' aspect of zangetsu was never uttered, this could be the difference between an unreleased sword and shikai in terms of power.

further proof can be found in the fact the very next swing cut zaraki...coincidence i think not
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yeah i just went through the chapter,and i know he did say that "incantation" or whatev when he was with urahara i think. and idk to me it doesnt seem like he's "releasing" zangetsu

and also its like Zarakai said about the reiatsu being stronger than the other idk something like that.btw this is just my little opinion^^

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I was just re-reading and something struck me, some thing i am suprised i missed...

While fighting Zaraki for the first time Ichigo couldnt cut Zaraki, when he was hiding he recited the release command for Zangetsu...was his sword in shikai form only? Not the power, or techneque?
Only then could he cut Zaraki

If so he beat Ikkaku and Renji without using shikai.

If that is the case his power jumps arnt as large as initually thought.

Any thoughts? Incase you dont know Zangetsu's release comand its my signature.

No.


He was able to cut Kenpachi because he had a change of heart. A change of motivation. He stopped being scared. He needed to focus.

He's always in Shikai... He can't not use it. It always is.

He beat Ikkaku and Renji with his shikai.


Also, that thing in your sig is not Zangetsu's release command. We don't really know exactly what it is (if it has one). The first and only time Ichigo released shikai, the only thing he actually said was Zangetsu's name. The rest of that stuff is just internal dialogue with himself and Zangetsu. It was inspirational talk to get Ichigo to quit running from Urahara. And he remembered it when he fought Kenpachi.

We may never know if Zangetsu has a word/phrase release since Ichigo will probably never seal his sword back down past shikai again.

Even supposing that was the release command. It wouldn't matter. You can't release shikai if you're already in shikai.



There's nothing wrong with the jumps of power with Ichigo.
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He was able to cut Kenpachi because he had a change of heart. A change of motivation. He stopped being scared. He needed to focus.

He's always in Shikai... He can't not use it. It always is.

He beat Ikkaku and Renji with his shikai.


Also, that thing in your sig is not Zangetsu's release command. We don't really know exactly what it is (if it has one). The first and only time Ichigo released shikai, the only thing he actually said was Zangetsu's name. The rest of that stuff is just internal dialogue with himself and Zangetsu. It was inspirational talk to get Ichigo to quit running from Urahara. And he remembered it when he fought Kenpachi.

We may never know if Zangetsu has a word/phrase release since Ichigo will probably never seal his sword back down past shikai again.

Even supposing that was the release command. It wouldn't matter. You can't release shikai if you're already in shikai.



There's nothing wrong with the jumps of power with Ichigo.
It is the release command, we even hear those lines when muramasa dragged zangetsu out of ichigo, during the recent filler arc (which was penned by kubo)...it is a fair bet.
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It is the release command, we even hear those lines when muramasa dragged zangetsu out of ichigo, during the recent filler arc (which was penned by kubo)...it is a fair bet.
Ichigo's Zanpakutou is already in Shikai, what possibly could be released by this "release command" you are implying? Shikai 2?
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It is the release command, we even hear those lines when muramasa dragged zangetsu out of ichigo, during the recent filler arc (which was penned by kubo)...it is a fair bet.
filler arc is moot to discuss here.


It is not Ichigo's release command. Did he say that the first time he released his shikai?

No. It was inner dialogue.

If he didnt' do it then, then it's not the command because that was the only time his shikai has been released.

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The only thing he said is Zangetsu's name. Again, the rest of that stuff is just inner dialogue between Zangetsu and Ichigo to motivate him.
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Ichigo's Zanpakutou is already in Shikai, what possibly could be released by this "release command" you are implying? Shikai 2?
he's saying what was "released" was the power of it not the form just the power. although he has never said a release command. like it was stated he had a change of heart his rieatsu grew enabling him to be ablo to cut zarakai
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he's saying what was "released" was the power of it not the form just the power. although he has never said a release command. like it was stated he had a change of heart his rieatsu grew enabling him to be ablo to cut zarakai
I know that's is what he is implying, but it doesn't make since, the Shikai power was always there. The only things that increased was Ichigo's resolve and focus.
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