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Old 12-27-2011, 01:53 AM
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I'm not super up to date but does the "Substitute Soul Reaper Badge" Limit Ichigo's Power? If so does this mean that when he fought Grimmjoww & Ulquiorra in Bankai, he was weaker than when he fought Byakuya in Bankai before he had the "Substitute Soul Reaper Badge"?
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Old 12-29-2011, 01:55 PM
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I don't know if it actually limited it in the Soul world. Maybe in the human world it did, like how Shinigami's powers are surpressed in the human world. But Ichigo derives his soul power from his own reitsu. And I can't imagine a badge having that much power over somebody's reitsu. Especially seeing that he still went from normal powers, to shikai, to bankai, to hollow, to dangai, to Final Getsuga, and progressed somewhat normally. If it was actually surpressing his power, I don't think he would've been able to "level up" as much as he did.

I also can't imagine Soul Society putting all their hopes on Ichigo to defeat Aizen while in the meantime being like, "meh, we'll just take the chance of surpressing his power and hopefully he'll turn out strong enough".
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According to Ginjou (in Chapter 474) the function of the Shinigami Substitute Fighting Permission Badge is "surveilance and control." It allows the Soul Society to track Ichigo like a GPS and also allows them to "absord, analyze and control" (or at least limit) his power when he carries it (kind'a like a "Captain's Seal" I guess). They were Ukitake's idea and he's given them to all "Substitute Soul Reapers" since Ginjou.

While it's not stated anywhere in the text, it seems in keeping with Ukitake's character that he devised this as a more merciful option than the probable alternative - to kill anyone in the living world who gains Shinigami powers rather than take the risk of trusting them.
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It's stated here that it suppresses Reiatsu.
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So if that is true (which it most likely is), then yes, it does limit his power.

By how much is hard to say, but one thing is clear, Ichigo had huge troubles controlling his powers after SS arc and the start of HM arc, the badge is likely to blame for this, at least to a degree.
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Thanks for clearing it up guys it helps mold my opinion a little bit better about how powerful Espadas like Ulquiorra & Grimmjoww truly were, I mean it confused the hell outta me when Byakuya & Kenpachi destroyed their opponents without much effort, but Ichigo couldn't beat a base form Grimmjoww. I definitely don't hold Ulquiorra as highly as I once did...this kind of makes me think the "Versus" sub-category will get sort of a make-over in the "who beats who" department because Ichigo's power level plays a huge role in a lot of "Versus" fights IMO.

Not just Espadas but Aizen, Gin & other too I guess...
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Whoa Wait a Sec their buddy UL should still Rank High because Limited or not we see the only display of such power coming from him. He threw that one rod in his second released form which could have killed every one in Huco Mundo with the expection of Maybe Kenpachi and Yammi.
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I'm under the impression that Ichigo did not take his SSR Badge with him to HM. Doesn't he not have it in his Shinigami form? I thought he just pressed it to his body, has his soul ejected, and then leaves it to Kon or whoever has his body.

Correct me if I'm wrong. I don't think the badge was that important in terms of power levels.
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I'm under the impression that Ichigo did not take his SSR Badge with him to HM. Doesn't he not have it in his Shinigami form? I thought he just pressed it to his body, has his soul ejected, and then leaves it to Kon or whoever has his body.

Correct me if I'm wrong. I don't think the badge was that important in terms of power levels.
that's what i assumed, it's only used to eject his soul but he doesn't carry it anywhere else he goes when he's in shinigami form. when he fought ulquiorra and grimmjow he was using everything he had.
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that's what i assumed, it's only used to eject his soul but he doesn't carry it anywhere else he goes when he's in shinigami form. when he fought ulquiorra and grimmjow he was using everything he had.
Doesn't matter. Reread the Manga link. The badge only suppresses his spiritual force while he is in human form. When he transforms into a Shinigami, it has no effect on him at all.
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I doubt it had so much influence. The badge isn't the only trouble in gauging the power of HM ichigo. Aside from teh badge counting as a possible factor you have resolve,growth rate and hollow powers. You can't say for a fact that ichigo became weaker because of the badge. If not ginjou could possibly impliy that his reiatsu was surrpressed in human form. But's lets assume it limited his reiatsu. Ichigo still outgrew his old self in terms of reiatsu. He went from captain level reiatsu in SS arc to over two times in the HM arc this is just his growth, Then you have the hollow mask who also held him back as well and not to mention the fluctuations of his power. There is more to look at then a mere badge that possibly surpressed his rieatus in shinigami form.
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