Full hollow 2 ichigo vs Neliel (fully recovered)

[Grimm66Jack]

Originally Posted by Silver Fang

Thus leading fanon to think Neliel is stronger than Zaraki.

Her power is unquantifiable but I hype her to be just arround Nnoitra level or below in terms of fighting capabilities so yeah I see Zaraki stronger but this is just my opinion bro .

Originally Posted by Emperor_Kon

Man I really hate it when bad guys get that kind of treatment.
I found some of the fraccion fights to be more entertaining than half the espada fights all because of this crap..and that's just sad...

I think the same. The fights of the top 3 and bottom 3 Espadas were crap. Only fights worth watching are the middle 3 Espadas, even so 2 of those Espadas were "kinda" defeated by a plotkai move (Kendo and Ichigo's will lmao).

Originally Posted by Emperor_Kon

Hell a serious Barragan alone could have probably solo'd half the shinigami that were there...
But obviously we can't allow that to happen so we have to make them mess around a bit so the good guys have enough time to figure out a counter and kill them...
That's what happens when you make good guys immortal. >_>

Dude, Aizen himself (in cannon) stated that the top 3 were more than enough to defeat everyone of the Shinigamis that were in FKT ... But Kubo had to mess up their mindsets so much that now all the fandom looks down on the Espada and that really pisses me off quite a bit, specially since these were the top 3 wich makes people look down on the middle 3 Espadas EVEN MORE!!! ...

Here's the pannel where Aizen stated that the top 3 were enough to defeat those Captains and Vice-Captains in FKT:
http://www.mangareader.net/94-770-16...apter-316.html

Hell Barragan and Halibel when they witnessed Yamamoto's power they didn't even gave a sh**:
http://www.mangareader.net/94-770-13...apter-316.html

And Kubo seemed to imply that Barragan was kinda Yamamoto's "equal" given the way he was talking and bossing arround the others and confronting Yamamoto:
http://www.mangareader.net/94-772-12...apter-318.html
http://www.mangareader.net/94-772-13...apter-318.html
http://www.mangareader.net/94-772-14...apter-318.html

http://www.mangareader.net/94-772-15...apter-318.html
http://www.mangareader.net/94-772-16...apter-318.html
http://www.mangareader.net/94-772-17...apter-318.html

But either way it would not be suprising that those 3 Espadas would be able to defeat those 6 Captains at alll (even Yamamoto), they are all Vasto Lorde arrancars therefore their power was tremendous, and this battle would be EXACTLY like how Aizen thought it would be if the Espadas didn't have a fu**ed up mindset ...

Halibel going easy on Hitsugaya(underestimating him).
Barragan trolling with Soifon and Omaeda and also later, Hachigen.
Stark conveniently having a personality of someone that "does not like to fight"...

Seriously, Kubo could have been "less obvious", if you know what I mean. Less obvious at making the good guys win without any casualties ... And this was an event that was supposed to have lots of deaths in both sides.

Originally Posted by Wogboy715

'face palm' i didnt mean he was an idiot literaly. He is an idiot because he is so arrogant and really full of himself ALL THE TIME. people like this are complete morrons!!!!!!!

That is irrelevant, he prooved himself to be on Nelliel's level, or even a bit superior ... That's all you need to know and Nnoitra is a 5th Espada of the new generation, she's a 3rd of the old one. The fact that he was fighting equally with her and at some point even overpowering her means that the 3 in her back has no meaning in the current Espada.

[Urahara012]

Originally Posted by Wogboy715

• Nnoitora may have said that that number on your back means nothing anymore but there is something else... NNOITORAS' AN IDIOT!!!

I've just realized that I don't like Nelliel at all.

[Greidy]

Nel wins because she is #3 and Ulquiorra is #4

[Bankai777]

H2 Ichigo wins this, little/no difficulty.

No contest, even if she was Number 3 with all of her powers back, she is not as powerful as SE Ulquiorra, he is like up there with Barragan and Stark. no contest. None at all.